Citizen Editorial: The Dave Ramsey Show

I listen to The Dave Ramsey show near daily. He offers up to we KMAS listeners very sage, sound and salivating financial advice to abide by. I like the show and his ideas of getting out of debt.
Too, in support of his ideology and preferred methods, he is often quoting scriptures in Thessalonians and other substantiating books of the bible supporting his worldviews. He is often heard referring to Jesus as the “prince of peace” leading me to think he is a rather keen follower of Jesus’ teachings.
That being suspected, I’m curious what he thinks of Jesus’ teachings found in Luke 6:30 where we are advised by Jesus himself to “give to any man who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, don’t ask for it back.”
Seems to me Jesus offers a better way to get totally debt free than the way Ramsey is advising. Now, since Ramsey is a follower of Jesus teachings, I’m thinking I might just go ahead and be that “anyone” spoken about in Luke 6:30 and I just might go and ask Ramsey for his money and see what happens. I could be debt free in a week. Hmmmmmmm.
What say ye?
Darrell Barker, Shelton
August 15, 2014


#16 Darrell Barker 2014-08-25 23:14
Well, I lied, apparently, I reread Cummings assertions about being a Secular Country. Jerry, I have this to add to that:

Take out a dollar bill folded in your wallet, and look under the pyramid, it reads "Novus Ordo Seclorum" which is Latin meaning New Secular Order.

We are a Secular Nation . Even Washington/Adam s knew this to be true when if you may avail yourself of looking at the Treaty Of Tripoly where it states WD are NOT a Christian Nation. Aghast you say!? I say, look it up Sir.
#15 Darrell Barker 2014-08-22 16:56
Let me be clear, so much of what Ramsey says is filled with sound financial wisdom, getting out of debt is almost a "calling" for anyone to ascend to.

Ramsey's approach isn't a "half full" glass of cool drinking water kind of approach to life, he is a large glass of water overflowing with hydrating advice.

That said, I am not "stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime" here, but am wondering if would obey his "prince of peace" Jesus and give me that which I ask of him according to Luke 6:30 is all.

I think this is a better "get out of debt" program than the one he's offering us.

I've said my two bits.
#14 Dwaino 2014-08-22 16:20
And I thought politics was the hot topic around these parts, only to see that religion sure gets some folks all worked up.
An editorial is posted here touting the ramblings of one of the many snake oil salesmen peddling his wares (yeah I know he preaches his word, but his sales are making him a wealthy man) and the air is filled with quotes from a bible.
Do you realize there are no less than 1,143 recognized religions in the world, yet every church-going person claims their religion is THE right one. Go figure.
In the end, doesn't matter what you call the entity you worship. Nor how you worship. It has to be what is in your heart and head. That which you believe in. Faith is something you can't see, can't touch, can't hear or taste. You can't make anyone understand what you are preaching if they aren't open to listening.

Remember every talk show host is providing their own views, regardless of topic. Entertainment if you will. Take it with a grain of salt.
#13 Patricia Jones 2014-08-22 14:24
That James Ramsey cherry picks the teachings of Jesus to bolster capitalism is at issue here. Pointing out as such is in no way an "attack" toward persons of faith. What is freedom of expression without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.
#12 Darrell Barker 2014-08-22 13:50
Jerry Cummings, respectfully, pointing out something is not "attacking" faith. It's questioning faith.

Now, as to Ramsey cherry-picking scripture to his advantage, I state the following: Luke 6:30, IS in context with other supporting scriptures like Luke 14:33 where Jesus said:

"In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples" I wonder why Ramsey, doesn't quote those ones is all I'm wondering.

As to Jesus being a socialist, the immediate 1st Century Christians as reported in the book of Acts conducted themselves as socialists. Did they not understand that Jesus was a Capitalist? (which he wasn't) Did they go against Jesus' teachings risking hellfire and brimstone in doing so?

Cummings, if Jesus' teachings were only for those people back at the time he was on earth, then why would Ramsey bother quoting Jesus at all? Any one of his teachings, like the golden rule, would be irrelevant today.
#11 Patricia Jones 2014-08-22 09:15
The terminology protestant isn't one single idea only, as any drive taken through any church filled community will show. Denominations specifically hawk their brand (baptist, pentecostal, methodist, et al) each reflecting their specific interpretation of scripture. And each denomination vying to win over converts to their way of thinking. And that way of thinking can vary broadly as evidence to the question if Jesus was a socialist, or not. And this being but one example to the broad differences and contradictory interpretations one is to encounter regarding religion. The Founding Fathers gave us the Establishment Clause so that be no one religion dominate over all others. Society operates with equality when government and businesses too, operate secular.
#10 Patricia Jones 2014-08-21 22:22
It's a tough sell to argue convincingly that Jesus if he returned would approve whole heartedly American style capitalism and the federal motto/ endorsement of his father emblazoned on American currency.
#9 Patricia Jones 2014-08-21 21:31
43~I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me."
44~They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45~He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46~Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.'
#8 Patricia Jones 2014-08-21 21:25
35~For I was hungry, and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36~I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37~Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
38~When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
39~When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?
40~The king will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41~Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you are cursed, and you gave me nothing to drink,
42~For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,...
#7 Patricia Jones 2014-08-21 21:15
35~And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
36~And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
37~Having land sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Acts 4:31-37

31~When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.
32~All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33~He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34~Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.