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SHOW DESCRIPTIONS

Alex Jones Show - Mon-Fri 9p-1a

The Alex Jones Show is three hours of intense, gripping, can't-miss radio. Every day, Alex relentlessly exposes the dirty doings of the global elite, educating his listeners and giving them motivation to take back their freedom. Alex is not your typical talk radio host. He goes beyond being non-partisan. Rather, he smashes the left/right political paradigm to pieces.  For decades Americans have been aware that the government withholds pertinent information that affects their lives. While the rigors of the average workday leave Americans defenseless against government cover-ups, mass media red herrings, and corporate scandals. Alex Jones sorts through the corruption with eager devotion. He uncovers clear and decisive information that must be heard! Jones voice spreads like wildfire, developing legions of loyal listeners. http://www.infowars.com/

America In The Morning - Mon-Fri 5a-6a

Because news doesn't stop when you're sleeping, America starts the day with America in the Morning, WestwoodOne's award-winning radio news magazine. America in the Morning offers up-to-the-minute news reporting from around the country and across the globe, with all the latest overnight developments in breaking news, politics, entertainment, business and sports, delivered first thing in the morning. Program host Jim Bohannon and his staff of correspondents provide a fast paced look at the world, with specialized reports from everywhere news happens. America in the Morning goes in-depth with analysis of critical events, and searches out stories of everyday life on "The Offbeat."  Through Marketwatch.com reports on overnight development across the globe, you'll hear all you need to know about business, Wall Street and the most critical foreign exchanges. America in the Morning sports experts, led by the inimitable Robert Workman, will bring you up to date on all the games, and Heather Zehr or another member of the Accuweather.com team provides the latest on America's weather, with storm warnings, weather patterns and state of the art predictions.

Caravan To Midnight - Mon-Fri 1a-4a

Caravan to Midnight is a daily radio talk show like no other! Hosted by John B Wells with new shows Monday-Friday. CTM has the best talk and best guests every week on real, hard-hitting, alternative news stories and opinions on far-ranging topics and events from Conspiracy Theories and Current Events, to Paranormal, World News, Health & Nutrition, Science, Politics, Religion, Entertainment, Music and Pop-Culture.

Cigar Dave - Sundays 2p-5p

Cigar Dave is the creator and host of The Cigar Dave Show, the acclaimed nationally syndicated radio program devoted entirely to the Cigar Lifestyle. Cigar Dave's first Cigar Dave Show broadcast occurred in July 1995 with one hour on WSUN Radio in Tampa, Florida. The show became an instant hit with his cadre of listeners known as "Cigar Lieutenants". The Cigar Dave Show quickly expanded to two hours and began national syndication in December 1995.  From his opening greeting of "Long Ashes" to the national cigar lighting ritual, Cigar Dave provides his loyal cigar lieutenants with current news and information regarding cigars, spirits, and other lifestyle diversions in a fast-paced lively format. Always truthful and politically incorrect, the General also leads his troops and wages battle in the fight against America's self-anointed pleasure police.  The General's loyal lieutenants have bestowed upon him a long list of titles including: The King of Coronas, the Pope of Panatelas, the Rabbi of Robustos, the Sultan of Smoke, the Professor of Puff, the Prince of Pleasure, the Cigar Sommelier, and the Connoisseur-in-Chief.  The Cigar Dave Show is broadcast Saturday afternoon's from Noon-2:00 PM Eastern Time on over 90 radio stations across the United States, and may also be heard on the internet at www.cigardave.com.  Cigar Dave is a native of Buffalo, New York, and a graduate of Syracuse University in 1986. He traces his love of cigars to his grandfather, "Cigar Abe", who faithfully enjoyed Gold Label Cigars for many years.  When not pontificating about cigars and life's other pleasures, he enjoys being serviced by his harem.

Daren Streblow Comedy Show - Saturdays 9p-10p

 

Daren Streblow's imagination got him into hot water long before he became the host of The Daren Streblow Comedy Show. Acting out the role of his favorite superheroes in his neighborhood, Daren got an early start in the entertainment business. After a trying high school experience, Daren found his niche as the youngest broadcaster for KDNW, a network affiliate for Northwestern College. In 1995, Daren began his comedy career performing stand-up at the ACME Comedy Company in Minneapolis, Minnesota. This was a great time of learning as Daren honed his routine. Daren also learned how to write and perform clean comedy to a wide range of audiences giving him the seal of Nightclub Tested, Pastor Approved. As Daren grew in popularity he made appearances on Bananas TV and the Thou Shalt Laugh Series. He is also a featured performer on Disney Cruises as well as several national music festivals.  As the host of The Daren Streblow Comedy Show, Daren brings his family friendly style of comedy to the airwaves. His desire is to provide a weekly vacation from the stresses and pressures of life - giving a recharge through laughter. Daren offers a regular smorgasbord of laughs from some of the best comedians working today without the audience worrying that the comedian will say something profane or crude. This family centered attitude is abundant in all areas of Daren's life.

 

Dave Ramsey Show - Mon-Fri 12p-3p

Real Talk About Life and Money from America's trusted money expert!  Millions listen to The Dave Ramsey Show every day for common-sense talk on money. Listeners are also tuning in to hear real callers share real stories about their lives and families. They call the show in desperate need of help. They call to celebrate. And if you listen closely enough, you'll hear a story much like yours. Hope has a home on the radio—and now it has a home online. Tune in today!
Call Dave at 888.TALK.BAK (888.825.5225)

Daybreak With Jeff & Dale - Mon-Fri 6a-9a

Jeff & Dale help you start your morning with conversations with our neighbors and newsmakers, talking about issues that impact your daily lives.  They also provide commentary on stories from around the block and around the world.  360-462-1041 is our listener line and This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. is our email address.

Doug Stephen’s Talk Radio Countdown - Saturdays 6a-7a

A weekly rundown of the latest news from around the country and the world.

Dr. Joy Brown - Saturdays 3a-6a

Dr. Joy offers millions of devoted listeners advice on issues ranging from relationships and marriage, finance, work and career.  Known and trusted the world over for her no-nonsense approach, award-winning clinical psychologist Dr. Joy Browne hosts the longest running syndicated show of its kind, a successful ratings winner for over 15 years

Extreme Genes - Saturdays 8a-9a

Scott Fisher has created a new and different type of show for radio, aimed at showing how fun and interesting family history and genealogy can be. Genealogy is a topic that a lot of people are into and each week Scott talks about amazing finds and connections people make.  In thinking about what name Scott could give the show that would capture the idea that this isn’t going to be like a lesson in a library but that this is going to be fun, interesting and something listeners will want to come back to again and again, he branded the radio show that way.  Listeners hear heartwarming stories as well as frightening stories, the kind where a person learns something scary about his or her ancestors. There are poll questions, reviews of the TV show "Who Do You Think You Are?" and the latest on how DNA research is helping genealogy.

First Light With Dirk Van - Mon-Fri 4a-5a

First light signals the dawn of a new day.  First Light gets that day started right with a unique blend of breaking news, friendly chat, celebrity interviews and the latest from the worlds of entertainment and sports.  You’ll hear today’s top stories and live on-the-air reaction from listeners across the country.  Dirk Van brings years of experience to First Light’s opening news segment, including reports from America’s most recognized and trusted correspondents.  Then, it’s your turn to sound off on the question of the day, with lively calls and interaction.  AccuWeather meteorologists provide exclusive reports, including informative weather conditions and travelers forecasts for major airports throughout the country.

Free Talk Live - Mon-Fri 6p-9p

If you're looking for cookie-cutter conservative talk, you've come to the wrong place! Free Talk Live is an open format talk show, where virtually no topic is off limits. From political issues to personal problems, the Free Talk Live hosts will keep you entertained and informed. If not, they invite you to call in and change the topic! Free Talk Live is talk radio where YOU are in control. We're talk radio's most interactive talk show both on and off the air, with our message board, chat room, archives and much more. Free Talk Live: Talk Radio where YOU are in control!  Free Talk Live is talk radio unlike any other. In an industry where shows are either pro-republican or pro-democrat, Free Talk Live is unabashedly pro-FREEDOM.  Another hallmark of typical talk radio is heavy call screening. Certain hosts are afraid of certain issues. Free Talk Live is not. We call the show Free Talk Live because listeners are Free to call in and Talk about anything from the political to the personal. http://www.freetalklive.com/

Gun Talk Radio - Sundays 12p-3p

Back in January, 1995, Tom was attending the SHOT Show, the huge annual trade show for the firearms industry, when a casual conversation lead to the idea of a radio talk show about guns. Only six weeks later he was on the air, being beamed to three satellites and 20 radio stations.  One famous radio industry consultant told Tom the show would be lucky to be on the air for a year. He didn't know Tom...or how many gun owners there are in the U.S. (there's a gun in almost half the homes in the country. Now, more than 19 years later, Tom Gresham's Gun Talk®is carried in more than 130 markets across the U.S., on XM satellite radio services, and is heard by thousands every week via web downloads. Gresham had been named the Shooting Sports Writer of the Year and has been included in Talkers Magazine's list of 100 Most Important Radio Talk Show Hosts In America!  On Gun Talk®, we want to keep three things in mind: Safety, personal responsibility and common courtesy. Other than that, we'll talk about anything you like having to do with guns -- particular firearms, ammunition, different types of recreational and competitive shooting, hunting, even politics. And you don't have to agree with the host to participate and be treated politely.

Life As You Own It - Saturdays 7a-8a

Mark McDougald and his partner, Craig Miller, co-host an hour of interactive radio each week with the sole mission of educating and empowering all listeners about how to secure the very best home mortgage for their personal financial situation and how to use that home mortgage as the cornerstone of their personal financial plan.  From the first time you listen to Life as You Own it, you will hear Mark and Craig’s passion for the truth as they call out those who are taking advantage of people, be it remodeling scams, unscrupulous lenders, or “too good to be true” schemes. Their goal is to arm every potential home owner with the necessary facts and information to make the smartest decisions, from how to get the right home mortgage loan to how to save for their kids’ college education.  Besides great local guests, listeners have become accustomed to hearing from well-known stars such as Mike Holmes from “Holmes on Homes,” the Kleiers from Selling New York, Rick Sharga from RealtyTrac, and Dr. Stan Humphries from Zillow.

Men’s Health Live - Sundays 9p-10p

From the pages of the world's largest and most comprehensive Men's magazine. Offering "tons of useful stuff" in an audio format, MEN'S HEALTH LIVE is THE men's guide to fitness, sex, women, workouts, weight loss, health, nutrition and muscle building.  Men's Health editor Peter Moore and contributing editor Gregg Stebben cover and expand on topics like physical and financial health, sex & relationships, as well as fitness, fashion & grooming, technology, food, entertainment, and more. The show also welcomes a variety of guests - from health and fitness experts, to newsmakers, chefs, celebrities, athletes, nutrition & weight loss experts, and book authors.  Join Peter and Gregg as they talk health, fitness, nutrition, gender mind-benders, beer, guy news, sports, food, and "stuff that makes us laugh." Each weekly program brings men information to help them look good, feel great and take control of their lives.

Money Pit - Saturdays 10a-12p & Sundays 7a-9a

The Money Pit Home Improvement Radio Show is the nation's only nationally syndicated he-said/she-said home improvement radio team. This unique combination reaches both a male and female audience and capitalizes on the increasing influence women have when making home improvement decisions.  Host Tom Kraeutler is a nationally known home improvement expert who spent over a decade as a professional home inspector. With experience spanning over 6,000 home inspections, Tom knows both how buildings are put together and more importantly, how they fall apart.  Beyond home improvement, Tom was the on-air Home Editor for MSNBC's popular Home Page Television Show where he also reported on consumer protection, auto safety, crime prevention, energy efficiency and much more. He appeared for three years as the home improvement expert for CNN's "Take it Personally," a prime-time personal finance program, and is frequently featured on CNN.Com, the network's preeminent internet show.  Co-Host Leslie Segrete is a home improvement expert with an eye for design and the skills to get the job done. She knows what turns a house into a home and has the tips and ideas to make improvements easy and fun. As the on-air talent for TLC’s hit series While You Were Out, Leslie designs, builds and executes projects to please one unsuspecting spouse and millions of her fans every single week.  Before TLC, her wide-ranging professional background included stints as the Art Director for the Rikki Lake Show and the Oxygen Network, as well as roles at Good Morning America and Giorgio Armani. She also enjoys cooking and holds a degree from the French Culinary Institute. Leslie is a seamstress, carpenter, decorator, designer and professional chef all wrapped up in one very energetic package. She’s a true renaissance woman through and through!

National Defense Show - Mondays 12a-1a

The National Defense is a one-hour weekly talk show dedicated to America's heroes. Every week, the National Defense brings to the forefront issues of vital importance to our country but, until now, discussed by talk show hosts who have little or no connection to the United States military. With over 20 million veterans living in this country, the armed services have needed one of their own to champion the causes and issues most important to those who have served and bravely serve today.  Host, Jerry Newberry, is Director of Communications for the Veterans of Foreign Wars and an Army Vietnam veteran. The National Defense is co-hosted by Randy Miller, a broadcast veteran who brings his passion for the military, and concern for the country to the table as well. Each week, the two discuss current hot topics of interest to veterans and interview national military and political figures.  The National Defense has broadcast from Iraq, Afghanistan, and many military bases around the country. Interviews include John McCain, Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton, Wesley Clark, Bob Dole, General David Petraeus, and hundreds of ordinary, unsung heroes around the world.

Northwestern Outdoors Radio - Saturdays 9a-10a & Sundays 10a-11a

John Kruse is the host of Northwestern Outdoors Radio, the award-winning, hour long show broadcast 50 times every week on 40 stations in Washington, Oregon, Idaho and Montana to include markets surrounding Boise, Eugene, Spokane, Portland, Tacoma, the Tri-Cities, Medford, Billings, Helena, Great Falls and of course, Wenatchee, Washington where we started our show at our flagship station - AM 560 KPQ.  Northwestern Outdoors focuses not only on fishing and hunting in the Northwestern United States, but also on all sorts of other outdoor recreation topics like wildlife watching, conservation issues, camping, hiking, horseback riding, paddling, bicycling, natural history and more!  John Kruse is a veteran outdoors writer and is also the author of the award-winning book, "Great Places Washington", a guidebook to outdoor recreation in the Evergreen State, published by Wilderness Adventures Press.  Take care, God Bless and enjoy the show!

Popular Science Radio - Sundays 4a-5a & 11a-12p

For over 100 years, Popular Science Magazine has had an unrivaled history of bringing readers the latest, cutting-edge innovations in science and technology. Popular Science Radio brings all the newest discoveries and emerging technologies to listeners each week. Presented in an interactive, entertaining and easy to understand forum, this is your ultimate source for what's new and what's next.  Broadcast weekly, live from Los Angeles, the show also hits the road to bring listeners the latest from technical and scientific events around the country. Whether your interests are cars, gadgets, science, technology, or DIY; you will learn something new from this energetic and entertaining program.  Popular Science Radiois hosted by award-winning broadcast veteran and Popular Science Magazine contributing editor, Alan Taylor, and features an enthralling mix of scientific experts, bold inventors, celebrity guests and the magazine's editors. Alan injects each topic with humor and his legendary quick-wit, uncovering and explaining the treasures found within the realms of the scientific and the technical.  Popular Science Magazinehas been a leading source of science and technology news since its inception, way back in 1872. With a circulation of over 1.3 million and 6.7 million readers, the pages are filled with up-to-the-minute tech news, insightful commentary on new innovations and even the hottest Hollywood stories.

Flavor HD - Sundays 9a-10a

Flavor HD is Food Radio - bringing you all your flavorite grilling gurus, palate pals, taste buds, kitchen crushes and heroes of the hungry...delivered fresh to an appetite near you.  Your hosts are the dynamic duo of deliciousness: Hannah Stanley and Dane Neal! (which is where the H and the D in the name Flavor HD comes from) If you love cooking (or even trying), watching food TV, if your always looking for that next great kitchen gadget, geeked about the latest big culinary event or "taste of," or maybe your building a "taste bud taj majal" outdoor grilling station... If you LOVE your area's food scene and think of YOUR town as Food City USA.  Then this show is for you!  Each week, Flavor HD brings you the biggest stars of the food world! From all your favorite shows on Food Network, Top Chef, MasterChef, PBS and more. The latest cookbooks, news and events from gurus of every kind of cuisine...the people...the places...products and personalities of America's incredible food scene, That's Flavor HD.

Roger Hedgecock Show - Mon-Fri 3p-6p

The Roger Hedgecock Show was syndicated nationally in 2009 and now the power and popularity of his show is being shared with Americans everywhere from 3 p.m. to 6 p.m. weekday afternoons. His show is heard daily from San Diego to the East Coast and from the Gulf Coast to the Northwest. Bringing the show to multi-platforms for his national audience will make it the first of its kind coming from the west coast.
Roger Hedgecock's popularity has long made him a media favorite well beyond his Southern California base. Prior to being nationally syndicated, Roger served as the #1 guest host for Rush Limbaugh for almost 10 years. Roger is frequently featured on Fox News and CNN as well as on C-Span's "Washington Journal".
Roger's wide appeal for media is well-deserved. While he enjoys high audience ratings as a talk-show host, he is clearly a man of action who frequently goes far beyond just talking about the issues. With a continuing campaign that he calls, "Hold Their Feet to the Fire," Roger has led hundreds of his listeners on a series of trips to Washington, D.C., encouraging them to take on the nation's political leaders as "citizen lobbyists." Roger also frequently takes his show on the road bringing his radio audience directly to where they can make the most impact throughout the country. http://www.rogerhedgecock.com/ Call in Live 1-877-84-ROGER (1-877-847-6437)

Science Fantastic - Saturdays 5p-8p & Sundays 6p-9p

Dr. Michio Kaku is the host of Science Fantastic. He also is one of the world's leading experts in theoretical physics, and according to New York Magazine, one of the "100 Smartest People in New York." Listeners from all walks of life tune in to hear Dr. Kaku discuss today's hottest and most relevant scientific/cultural topics covering everything from black holes and parallel universes to hip, provocative discussions on philosophy and the latest technology.  At any given moment he will quote not only Einstein, but Woody Allen, proving that Science Fantastic is not just for the science junky, but for anyone who has ever pondered the cosmic question of existence, as well as those interested in the latest technological trends and techno-gadgets."People are curious about science despite unhappy experiences in school," says Dr. Kaku. "We grind it out of them with dull rote-learning..We're all born scientists until we hit junior high school."

Songwriters Stage - Sundays 12a-2a & 10p-12a

Recordings from Jim Johnson's studios in Shelton Washington bring you the best local live music around.  Check back with KMAS for the upcoming shows.

Street Rod & Custom - Saturdays 8p-9p

The street rod, custom rod and classic truck enthusiast never forgets the past. Street Rod & Custom Radio carries on the tradition that started it all by revealing the hottest, most innovative cars in rodding today.  StreetRod & Custom Radio features innovative technical how-tos and classic styling ideas for cars covered through 1964. Listeners are also treated to the most comprehensive event coverage from coast-to-coast. From cutting-edge hot rods to stylish customs, learn how you can reinvent your hobby.  Host, Brad Fanshaw of Bonspeed, one of California's premier speed & design studios, is credited with creating what is today's rock-n-roll automotive lifestyle. Fanshaw brings a unique perspective on hot rods and customs as a behind-the-scenes creative maverick. The program features the most comprehensive event coverage as well as innovative technical how-tos and styling ideas.

Talkin’ Pets - Saturdays 2p-5p

Americans love their pets, and Jon Patch offers up lively, fun conversation about the animals that share our lives. Is your bird losing its feathers? Is your dog digging up the backyard? Maybe your cat is using your favorite chair as a scratching post? Jon can help callers cope with medical and behavioral questions relating to all kinds of domestic animals. The program also features news on animal rights and environmental issues that affect animals everywhere.

Tee It Up - Sundays 6a-7a

Tee It Up! is an informative blend of the latest golf news, tournament updates and dynamic interviews with the top names in the golf world. Hosted by veteran sports broadcaster, Keith Jones, Tee It Up! affords the listener rare, insider access to the golf world like no other show on the radio.  Keith has been covering golf for more than 20 years and has covered the U.S. Open, the LPGA Championship, the U.S. Senior Open, the Ryder Cup, and the Presidents Cup. Keith's experience includes sports coverage for NBC, CBS, CBC, and Mutual.  Recent guests include: Bob Wood, President, Nike Golf; David Leadbetter, professional golf instructor; Johnny Miller, golf analyst; Edwin Watts, CEO, Edwin Watts Golf Shops; Alice Cooper, musician; and PGA Tour professionals, such as: Phil Mickelson, Nick Faldo, Bubba Watson, and Justin Leonard.

Thom Hartmann Show - Mon-Fri 9a-12p

Thom Hartmann is a progressive national and internationally syndicated talkshow host whose shows are available in over a half-billion homes worldwide.  He's the New York Times bestselling, 4-times Project Censored Award winning author of 24 books in print in 17 languages on five continents.  Leonardo DiCaprio was inspired by Thom's book "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight" to make the movie "The 11th Hour".  Talkers Magazine named Thom Hartmann as the 8th most important talk show host in America in 2011, 2012, and 2013 (10th the two previous years), and for three of the past five years the #1 most important progressive host, in their “Heavy Hundred” ranking. http://www.thomhartmann.com/ 1-866-987-THOM (8466)  1-866-745-CONS (2667) - Disagree Line

Under The Hood - Saturdays 12p-2p

Tune-in to this fun Car, Talk Show airing on radio stations across America each week. If you miss an episode you can catch the podcasts on Stitcher Radio, our rss feed, and iTunes.  If it's car repair or upkeep related we are the talk show for you. We provide entertainment and give advice on buying, selling, maintenance and everything in between.  Call the show now 866-594-4150.Shannon and Russ along with Chris Carter are your Motor Medics® bringing a fun side to car - talk shows along with accurate well respected advice to help you save money on car repairs.  If you can't call us live leave a message on our Hotline and we may air your call in a later episode. Call the same number to do this.  Founded in 1990 the Under The Hood Show thanks you for Tuning-in and Tuning-up.

Veterans Chronicles - Sundays 5a-6a

Veterans Chronicles is an hour-long program that tells the stories of America’s greatest heroes in their own words. Featuring interviews with eyewitnesses to the great, and tragic, moments in military history. From D-Day to Iwo Jima, Khe Sanh to the “Hanoi Hilton”, Baghdad to Fallujah, the liberation of Grenada to the liberation of Afghanistan; Veterans Chronicles is history told from the perspective of those who were there. Included in each show are archival recordings, which take listeners back to a time when heroes were made. The program also includes short features, including “Heroes of the Air,” “World War II Chronicles,” and “Vox Pop.” The host of Veteran’s Chronicles, Gene Pell, has spent much of the last half-century as an award winning broadcast journalist. He has been both Moscow Bureau Chief and Pentagon Correspondent for NBC News, and for twenty years was news anchor for the NBC affiliate in Boston. He is also former Director for Voice of America and President of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.

When Radio Was - Saturdays 10p-12a & Sundays 2a-4a

When Radio Was brings listeners the very best of the Golden Age of Radio. Packed with classic performers, iconic characters, and top-flight story-telling, When Radio Was is pure timeless entertainment.  Show types include:   Detectives and Crime Fighters - Return to the scene of the crime with The Shadow, Sam Spade, The Green Hornet, Gang Busters, Sherlock Holmes, and many more!  Comedy Classics - Laugh along with the great performers - Jack Benny, Abbott & Costello, Red Skelton, Our Miss Brooks, Burns & Allen and many others!  Drama, Westerns, Mysteries, Thrillers, Sci-Fi - Enjoy classic western adventure with Hopalong Cassidy, the top stars of Hollywood in Screen Director's Playhouse, chilling horror in Lights Out, and so much more!

Working Mother Radio - Sundays 5p-6p

Working Mother Radio provides honest, real-world advice on pregnancy, raising children, and the emotional support and connection moms need to enjoy their full lives for over 22 years. Working Mother Radio meets the diverse needs of modern families by connecting you with the tools, targeted content and supportive community to help you navigate every stage of the often humorous, sometimes chaotic and (almost) always joyful life with children.  Host Bettina Bush started her career behind the mic at 7 yrs old doing voice overs for American pop culture favorites Rainbow Brite, My Little Pony and The Littles. Her voice can be heard on the Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, and in video games as the voice of Gloria in Madagascar I, II, and III. Bettina also uses her "big girl voice" in commercials for McDonalds, Old Navy, General Motors and others. Bettina has done guest appearances with Rick Dees National Top 40 radio broadcasts and has two of her own singles that charted on Billboard's Top 10. Inspired by her mom and retired USAF colonel father, Bettina and her husband are committed to family and the joy of raising two children of their own.